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>> Sunday, February 10, 2008

Three years have passed since we bought CD-i Emulator and we all know there have been no update available since then. Thankfully cdifan actively posts on the CD-i Emulator Support Forum and responds to any questions asked about the CD-i Emulator. We all agree cdifan is a godsend to the cd-i community so that's why I feel the issue "CD-i Emulator going open-source" is sensitive. However, the discussions are rising because there are people interested to dive into the project as well. As we all want more updates and compatibility, I want to discuss the reasons behind it, because it was cdifan himself who posted the following words one year ago: "I still stand by what I said in 2005: the sources will be released at some point, but that point hasn't been reached yet. Of course, things have taken a year or two more then I originally expected..."

cdifan: "Releasing the source to CD-i Emulator is entirely possible, there are no legal or other issues preventing it except that I'm (still) of the opinion that it wouldn't contribute anything to my goals of the venture. And before you ask, these goals do not include making money as a concern of any significance. A few days of regular work earns me more then I ever got from selling CD-i Emulator. What exactly would [people] do (or expect others to do) with those sources? Please note that providing a full edition binary for free was discussed (in small circle) and considered unadvisable, months before the public release in 2005. To date I have seen no indications that this decision was wrong; every petulant whine I see (into which category I do not consider your posting to be), here or in other fora, actually supports the original reasoning."

First, I think we have to figure in the obscurity of the system, and available emulators. To date, this is by far the most complete emulator for the CD-I. No one in their right mind would stick with CD-Ice because it's free. And from a developer's point of view, the extra features are well worh the money. cdifan about the limited version of CD-i Emulator: "I am still quite satisfied with the price point. Anybody seriously interested will not find it a problem, and more then halving it like you suggest would make it feel "cheap" to me. The little extra money it might bring in (but that would mean at least doubling the sales, which I think is unlikely to happen) isn't worth that to me. I don't think the time limit is hurting. It allows you to do a reasonable evaluation of the program; three minutes is plenty of time to evaluate how a particular CD-i game works with the emulator, which is really the point. I rather thought it would be just enough to get you hooked into a level, so you'd really have motivation to get an unlimited edition!"

Most of you believe the project is dead as you've not heard anything for a while now. You remember how long it took for the first version to arrive? Years! I wouldn't exclude any possibility that cdifan will surprise us with his developments soon, but I'm sure that when kids question him and the emulator all the time, it doesn't help at all. As far as we're all concerned, CD-i Emulator is under development. But there are other opinions. Merijn: "Let me first say that it is all CDi fan's decision and rights to do whatever he wants to with the emulator. If he does not wish for it to be open source, then so be it. However, just like you say Bas, it took years for him alone to develop the emulator. Coming up on its 3-year birthday, the compatibility is still quite limited. Which is the main reason why even I myself haven't bought it yet. If money is not the issue, then why not try to create a community of developers for the emulator. It could still be a closed community, where you would have to apply to become a member, prove your merits and all (so as to keep the kids who want it for free out), but then at least it could perhaps take some of the burden Off CDIfan, and make for more updates). Again, it's CDIfan's decision, but it's still worth discussing."

The project is not abandoned as such, but he took a well deserved break from the project. I'm sure when the time is right there will be an update, but I believe cdifan has a lot on his mind now (his own baby!). Last year cdifan has been helping Charles Doty with getting Frog Feast running on CD-i Emulator and this has caused some small changes in CD-i Emulator (which nobody can see yet because they haven't been distributed). cdifan: "Actual development is still mostly stalled; still waiting for available time to restart full-bore development... Anyway, it *is* possible to emulate CD-i titles with only a small amount of exact hardware emulation; you would replace it with exact *software* emulation instead. This is what CD-Ice did, but in my opinion it is *more* work then the exact hardware emulation route. The main advantage of the technique would be that no system ROM images are needed. To do this, you would not need to reverse-engineer the exact details of hardware like I've been doing; the Green Book specifications of the system APIs should be enough."

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Andrew,  February 16, 2014 at 12:11 AM  

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Accelerator - SPC/Vision
Adventure of the Space Ship Beagle, The - Denshi Media Services
Affaire Morlov, L' - Titus
Alfapet - Adatek
Alice in Wonderland - Spinnaker
Alien Gate - SPC Vision
Alien Odyssee - Argonaut
Aliens Interactive CD-i - Dark Vision Interactive
Ange et le Demon, L' - Smart Move
Apprentice, The - SPC Vision
Apprentice 2, The - Marvin's Revenge - SPC Vision
Arcade Classics - Philips ADS / Namco
Asterix - Caesar’s Challenge - Infogrames
Atlantis - The Last Resort - PRL Redhill (Philips ADS)
Axis and Allies - CapDisc
Backgammon - CapDisc
Battle Chess - Accent Media (for Interplay)
Battleship - CapDisc
Big Bang Show - Infogrames
BMP Puzzle - Circle (for ZYX)
Brain Dead 13 - Readysoft
Burn:Cycle - Trip Media
Caesar's World of Boxing - Philips POV
Caesar's World of Gambling - CD-I Systems
Cartoon Academy - Bits Corporation
CD-i mit der Maus - SPC Vision
CD Shoot - Eaglevision Interactive Productions
Change Angels Kick-off - HMO
Chaos Control - Infogrames
Christmas Country - Creative Media
Christmas Country - The Lost Levels - Creative Media
Christmas Crisis - DIMA
Clue - 3T Productions
Clue 2 - The mysteries continue - 3T Productions
Connect Four - CapDisc
Creature Shock - Argonaut (for Virgin)
Crime Patrol - CapDisc
Crow, The - Philips POV
Cyber Soldier Sharaku - Japan Interactive media
Dame was Loaded, The - Beam Software
Dark Castle - Philips POV
Dead End - Cryo
Defender of the Crown - Philips POV
Deja Vu - Icom Simulations
Deja Vu 2: Lost in Las Vegas - Icom Simulations
Demolition Man - Virgin Interactive Entertainment
Demon Driver - Haiku Studios
Discworld - Teeny Weeny Games
Dimo's Quest - SPC Vision
Domino - Wigant Interactive Media
Down in the Dumps - Haiku Studios
Dragon's Lair - Superclub / INTL CDI
Dragon's Lair 2- Time Warp - Superclub / INTL CDI
Drug wars - Crime Patrol II - CapDisc
Dungeons & Dragons - PF Magic
Earth Command - Visionary Media
Effacer - CapDisc
Escape from Cybercity - Fathom Pictures
Evidence - Microids
Falco & Donjon & The Sword of Inoxybur - BMi / Zephyr Studio
Family Games I - DIMA
Family Games II - Junk Food Jive - DIMA
Felix the Cat - Philips Sidewalk Studio
Flashback - Delphine/Tiertex (for US Gold)
Flinstones Wacky Inventions - Philips Funhouse
Fort Boyard: The Challenge - Microids
Frog Feast - Rastersoft

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Go - CapDisc
Golden Oldies - SPC Vision
Golden Oldies II - SPC Vision
Golgo 13 - Japan Interactive Media
Great day at the races, A - CD-I Racing, Dove Films, Total Vision
Guignols de l'Info, Les - Canal+ Multimedia / INTL CDI
Heart of Darkness - Amazing Studio (for Virgin)
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The - Philips Kaleidoscope
Holland Casino CD-i - HMO
Hotel Mario - Philips Fantasy Factory
Inca - Coktel Vision
Inca 2 - Coktel Vision
International Tennis Open - Infogrames
Jack Sprite vs. The Crimson Ghost - PF Magic
Jeopardy - Accent Media
Jigsaw - Novalogic
Joe Guard - DIMA
John Dark: Psychic Eye - CapDisc
Joker's Wild!, The - Accent Media
Joker's Wild Jr., The - Accent Media
Kether - Infogrames
Kingdom - The far reaches - CapDisc
Kingdom 2 - Shadoan - CapDisc
Labyrinth of Crete - Philips Funhouse
Laser Lords - Spinnaker
Last Bounty Hunter, The - CapDisc
Legend of the Fort - Microids
Lemmings - DMA Design / Psygnosis
Lettergreep - Wigant Interactive Media
Lingo - SPC Vision
Link - The faces of evil - Animation Magic
Lion King, The - Virgin Interactive Entertainment
Litil Divil - Gremlin Graphics
Litil Divil 2: Limbo Years - Gremlin Graphics
Lords of the rising sun - Philips POV
Lost Eden - Cryo (for Virgin)
Lost Ride, The - Formula (Lost Boys)
Lucky Luke - The video game - SPC Vision
Mad Dog McCree - CapDisc
Mad Dog McCree II: The lost gold - CapDisc
Magic Eraser - Circle (for ZYX)
Mah-Jong - Japan Interactive Media
Making the Grade - 3T Productions
Man Before Man - Cryo
Marco Polo - Infogrames
Mario Takes America - CIGAM
Master Labyrinth - AVM AG/HQ
Mega Maze - CapDisc
Memory Works, The - Compact Disc Incorporated
Merlin's Apprentice - Philips Funhouse
Microcosm - Philips Freeland Studios
Micro Machines - Codemasters
Monty Python's Invasion from the Planet Skyron - Daedalus CD-i Productions
Mutant Rampage - Body Slam - Animation Magic
Myst - Sunsoft (for Cyan)
Mystic Midway - Rest in pieces - Philips POV
Mystic Midway 2 - Phantom Express - Philips POV

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Name that tune - Philips Fantasy Factory
New Day - Bits Corporation
NFL Hall of Fame Football - Philips POV
Othello - HMO
Pac Panic - Philips ADS / Namco
Palm Springs Open - ABC Sports / Fathom Pictures
Pool - SPC Vision
Pinball - CapDisc
Plunderball - ISG Productions
Power Hitter - ABC Sports / Fathom Pictures
Power Match - Two's Company
Pursue - BEPL
Pyramid Adventures - Compact Disc Incorporated
RAMRaid - PRL Redhill
Return To Cybercity - Fathom Pictures
Riddle of the Maze, The - Fathom Pictures
Riqa - Bits Corporation
Rise of the Robots - Mirage Technologies
Sargon Chess - Spinnaker
Scotland Yard Interactive - AVM AG/HQ
Secret Mission - Microids
Secret Name of Ra, The
Shaolin's Road - Infogrames
Skate Dude - Viridis
Smurfen, De - De Telesmurf - Infogrames
Solar Crusade - Infogrames
Solitaire - BEPL
Space Ace - Superclub / INTL CDI
Space Ranger - Studio Interactive
Special Operations Squadron - SPC Vision
Sport Freaks - SPC Vision
Star Trek - Philips POV
Star Wars: Rebel Assault - LucasArts
Steel Machine - SPC Vision
Striker Pro - Rage
Strip Poker Live - Greenpig Production
Strip Poker Pro - Interactive Pictures
Super Fighter - The Super Fighter Team / C&E
Super Mario's Wacky Worlds - NovaLogic
Surf City - Philips Sidewalk Studios
Tangram - Eaglevision Interactive Productions
Taco's Toyroom Troopers - Creative Media
Tankdoodle - Creative Media
Tetris - Philips POV
Tetsuo Gaiden - Creative Media
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Thieves' World - Electronic Arts
Tic-tac-toe - BEPL
Tox Runner - ISG Productions
Treasures of Oz - Philips Kaleidoscope
Ultra CD-i Soccer - Krisalis
Uncover featuring Tatjana - SPC Vision
Uninvited - Icom Simulations
Video Speedway - ISG Productions
Vinnie the Pinguin - Pandemonium Labs
Voyeur - Philips POV
Voyeur 2 - Philips POV
Whack-a-Bubble - Creative Media
What's it worth - Marshall Cavendish Multimedia / Spice
Who shot Johnny Rock? - CapDisc
Wordplay - BEPL
World Cup Golf - US Gold
Zaak Sam, De - Toneelschool NL
Zelda - The wand of Gamelon - Animation Magic
Zelda's Adventure - Viridis
Zenith - Radarsoft
Zombie Dinos From The Planet Zeltoid - Philips POV

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